History of Aviation in Air Shows

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I just sat down in a chair, not knowing they're assigned

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chairs, especially the front row.

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And I sat right in the front row.

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I don't know who's chair I sat in.

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And, uh, the CO was there and the CO looked at me and he was like,

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like, you know, and in colorful Navy words, he asked me who I was.

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And I told him I was a midshipman and I wanted to fly an F14.

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And he told me in colorful words to get out.

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And I told him no, that this was my dream and I wasn't leaving till I got a flight.

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And he started to laugh.

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And he asked me what school I went to because he said I

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had a lot of, for a woman.

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And I said, I went to Penn State and he said, Big Ten, you're flying.

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I got very lucky that day.

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Welcome to Talk With History.

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I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.

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Hello.

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On this podcast, we give you insights into our history inspired world travels,

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Jen.

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Yes.

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Before we start talking about the history of air shows, as I'm sure

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everybody knows that this is about, it's going to be the show title.

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I have a joke for you.

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Oh, goodness.

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Okay.

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What happens to a bad airplane joke?

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Goes up in

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flames.

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It never lands.

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It never lands.

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So as you know, uh, this is, this show is about, uh, the history of

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air shows and women in aviation.

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So, uh, I'm excited to...

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to jump into that.

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But before we do, I always like to ask people for reviews.

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We actually did get a recent review, a five star review from Lady Blackwood.

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Sounds fancy.

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Uh, five star review.

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My kind of stuff.

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I've always been a Big World War II history buff.

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This is freaking amazing.

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Why, thank you, Miss Lady Blackwood.

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I don't know, she must have heard of World

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War II show.

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Yeah, must have.

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Must have just absolutely loved it.

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Um, so, again, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Five Stars and Spotify.

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Uh, you know, unlike the History Channel, we are out there doing it and actually

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covering history, and we were at Naval Air Station Oceana this past week, and we're

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going to talk a little bit about that.

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From the death defying stunts of early aviators to the trail blazing women

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who broke barriers in the clouds, this episode of Talk With History is a tribute

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to the incredible individuals who have shaped the thrilling world of aviation.

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And it was only a few years ago that a young Jennifer Mitchell

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went to an air show and it forever changed the course of her life.

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And that young Jennifer is now sitting with us today

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talking about naval aviation.

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So Jen, let's talk about the history of air shows, what they were celebrating

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over at Naval Air Station Oceana in 50 years of women in aviation.

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That's so cool.

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Thanks, babe.

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So air shows, you know, they're kind of, uh, Been around since aviation in general.

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First air show was in 1909 in France, and then America wasn't far behind.

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Our first air show here was in 1910.

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1909?

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Wow.

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And when you think, uh, first, the first flight was 1907.

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It's not long after.

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Sure, everybody wants to see it.

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Everyone wants to see it.

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And it really was, at the time, people were just dumbfounded by

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this new apparatus that could fly.

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I'm sure, I'm sure the

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conversation probably went like, I don't believe it.

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Come with me, I'll show you.

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And people traveled to fields, to, you know, where, um, runways and

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aircraft were, and to be able to see them.

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And to see what they can do, and pilots practicing, and how they could fly.

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And like I said, in 1910, they came here to America.

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They were pretty popular, um, World War I.

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after made them even more popular.

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So after World War One, of course, and then you get kind of two types of air

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shows, you get aerobatic air shows, kind of like the one we saw where people are

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going to do stunts, or you get static air shows where people you just want

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to see the aircraft on the tarmac.

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And you get to go in the aircraft and look around or it can be a combination of both.

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Yeah.

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And that's what we did this, this last, actually just yesterday.

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And that's why this podcast is a little bit late because

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we were exhausted yesterday.

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We were out there all day climbing in the aircraft with the kids and seeing

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some amazing aviation acrobatics, which we'll talk a little bit more about

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later.

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Yeah.

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And so like, you know, the beginning of air shows really were People traveling

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to the air show and then after world war one it became more of a the air

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show came to you Yeah, traveling around.

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Yeah, they called it barnstorming because it would come to farm areas, right and

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Basically, you know fly by barns and then

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that's where all the kind of large tracts of land.

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Yeah, we're had Straight places for people to land

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and take off exactly and that's where really like You know, started to

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encroach on the masses because again, it's still a relatively new thing unless

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you're in the military or you have a lot of money or you live close to an airport,

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you're not going to see aircraft light.

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It's not like today where they're readily available.

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And in barnstorming airshow, time, people would also take people

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up flying and that would be like their first time ever flying.

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It would be like the two seater, the by the bi wing aircraft that

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would take people up flying.

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And so that was a very big thing to do in those early air shows.

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And again, it was more of a show where you sat and watched the airplanes kind of

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fly around and what they did and then they would come and land and then if you paid

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a couple bucks you could fly in the back.

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And that's how basically pilots made their lives, their livelihood.

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But what we went to was like a military air show.

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Yeah, it wasn't civilian.

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Uh, I don't, the news was there.

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Um, they had their

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helicopter.

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Definitely military focused for us getting on.

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So Naval Air Station Oceana.

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Think Virginia Beach, right?

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Norfolk area.

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And I mean, that is like kind of the.

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Hub here on the on the east coast for naval aviation.

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I mean aside from maybe Pensacola

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sure So, you know, I have sistered at the historic marker that

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says naval aviation started in here in Norfolk in 1911 and So if you get

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if you're following the timeline first air show 1909 France first air show

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in America 1910 Naval aviation starts 1911 you know aviation is just being

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innovated so quickly at this time.

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But Oceana doesn't open, uh, as an air station until 1943.

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Okay.

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So during World War II.

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And then, uh, the first air show was in 1953.

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So 10 years after that.

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So we went in, uh, 2023.

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So we went to the 70th air show.

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Oh, that's cool.

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Yeah.

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So that was really cool.

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And didn't realize

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that.

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Yeah, so that was really neat.

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And then of course, um, we got to see some static aircraft.

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There's lots of, today there's a lot more than, uh, would be in the older days.

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Well,

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and that was one of the things that I was really looking forward

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to because our kids are old, are old enough now to kind of appreciate

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and want, still want to do it.

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They're not too cool, right, to, to not to want to go do those things.

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Yes.

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But also what we got to do, and we'll talk more about Nose Art later.

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That's a separate episode.

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Yes.

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We made an episode from there.

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Yep.

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Mm hmm.

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We...

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Um, but you got to talk to the kids about this is what mom flew when,

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you know, this is what I flew.

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This is, you know, not me personally, but this was you talking to the kids

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and like, I flew this helicopter and I landed this other, you know, big ass

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helicopter over here, the sea stallion.

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I landed this on the Tarawa.

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You know, so you got to talk to the kids about that, right?

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Yeah, it was very, it was neat for me that I think it was the first time I

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actually got to see the helicopter I flew.

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And so I flew the SH 60 Bravo, which is a Blackhawk helicopter

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painted silver, uh, for the Navy.

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And we call it a Seahawk.

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But, so they had a Blackhawk there.

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And so the kids got to actually see the helicopter mommy flew.

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And I don't think they've ever gotten to see that before.

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And I did a whole episode on nose art and things that are painted on the aircraft.

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And I gave a little.

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background of that.

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And so we were filming that episode as well, but I was also pointing to other

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stuff on the helicopter and people were listening and paying attention and just

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everything you have to do as a pilot, how you preflight every time you fly and what

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you're preflighting, what you're opening and what you're kind of looking for.

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And then we went into the sea stallion and there was a female pilot there.

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And I was speaking to her for a little bit and they are

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decommissioning the sea stallion.

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So we talked

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about her and you were telling me before we kind of got up closer to the

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sea stallion, we were standing in line, how old these aircraft were and they just

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kind of keep keeping them around because.

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I mean, they use these heavily, right?

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They're heavy

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transport.

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Yeah, I mean, so a sea stallion is a beast.

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Yeah.

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Seven rotors, I mean.

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And you can basically get one of the small tanks inside of them.

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Plus they can transport a lot of troops.

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So they are, they're heavy lifting, heavy load.

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Um, and, but they're just getting too hard to fix now.

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Too expensive.

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Long of a tooth, right?

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Yes.

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And they had some...

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It was a lot of army reserve.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you know, that was there.

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So they had like a CH 47, which is Chinook.

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Yep.

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Um, and some other larger aircraft.

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Three.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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, they had the 50 threes and then, you know, um, not really jets that you could

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get up CLO per up close and personal to, but they had T 30 fours, I think.

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Yeah.

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Three.

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Yep.

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They had T 30 fours.

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They had a couple eighteens out there.

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Like you said, you could get close, we could get close to.

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picture them.

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And they had the blue angels off in the distance.

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So I took some video of the blue angels.

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You couldn't get close to them either because they're flying

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now.

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Speaking of the blue angels, and I think I had heard this, but I didn't really

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dawn on me, but they have their first female flying for the blue angels.

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And so that was kind of the big thing on Sunday.

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They were emphasizing 50 years of women in aviation, 50 years of women in aviation.

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And you were telling me, and for those listening, Jen was winged in 2001.

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Yes.

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And Jen's always told me and she kind of talking about it again as we're

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walking around this air show and there's multiple female pilots around and there's

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female air crew and Jen would you would talk about when you would go to air

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shows when you were flying and you'd be the only female pilot at an air show.

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Big air

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show like this.

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Yeah, I mean, I really got to see a lot of change in aviation I mean we

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think 50 years of women in aviation It doesn't mean 50 years of women in the

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majority of aviation or in a dating aviation These are just women who were

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the first to go to flight school and pass It doesn't even mean that they

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flew in combat because they didn't open combat for women until the 1990s.

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And then even then you had to qualify in those combat aircraft

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to be able to fly in combat.

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And that took time as well.

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And it wasn't easy.

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And so these women, you know, ones or twosies here and there,

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but it wasn't like a big group.

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And when you think about it, you know, we're just getting the first

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female blue angel, Amanda Lee.

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She flies number three in 2022.

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Thunderbirds were a little before the Navy.

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They had their first female in 2005, but it's still relatively new

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and they've had one other female.

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So it's not like it's like half of the pilots are female.

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And even then.

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in squadrons today.

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It's not like half of the pilots are female.

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It doesn't really work that way.

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We're getting more women.

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And so I was talking to the air crewman on the 53 who was a

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woman, and the pilot was a woman.

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So I was like, Oh my gosh, to see a female crewman.

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I never saw a female air crewman.

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That's the person who's in the back of the air, the helicopter when you fly.

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I asked her, have you had an all female?

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flight.

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And she goes, I had one last week.

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That was never even a possibility when I flew.

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There wasn't even enough women to have an all female flight.

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I flew one time with another woman.

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I flew with Amy Bowerschmidt, who's now a admiral.

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I flew with her in, um, when I was going through the rag and for the, for.

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60 Bravos, and that was probably my only Female flight that I ever

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had and so it was it's amazing to See what has happened in aviation

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like I feel like I was halfway Yeah,

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you were I mean think about 50 years.

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Yeah, it was like 20 years ago that you were you were at these air shows

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Yeah, you know so I feel like I was halfway, so I always tell the

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story I we flew I did my cross country when you get your wings you do a cross

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country and I Did my cross country to Dayton, Ohio for the air show.

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They do a big air show there 'cause the Wright brothers are from Dayton

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and that's where the Air Force base is.

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So they do a big air show, almost like this air show, which is a static

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display air show and aerobatics are happening at the same time.

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And I think the Blue Angels even flew there at that air show.

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And um, so we made our helicopter static.

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Kind of like what we saw when you could climb in the aircraft

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and look around it and touch it.

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And so I'm standing in front of the helicopter talking about the helicopter

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and I tell people I notice a lot of little girls coming over and I noticed

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a lot of dads bringing the little girls over and I, I'm still a student

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pilot, so I'm just like, it's terrible to say, but I'm just making stuff up.

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I did this a lot.

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Even on the Tarawa.

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I remember my first...

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You were, you

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were really bad about that.

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I was like, my first day on the Tarawa.

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I'm a pilot on a LAJ and I don't know.

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And they put me in charge of tours.

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I don't know.

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This is where the missiles are.

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I don't know anything about surface Navy.

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Jen, we don't have that on the ship.

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The missiles, they put them over there.

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And people were asking me, they really have those on the ship?

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I'm like, yeah.

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But um, so same thing with the helicopter.

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I was like, oh, this is what this does.

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And this is, I do the basics of what things did.

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But I would ask him, do you want to sit in the cockpit?

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And I'm like, sure.

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So I would lift him up and put in the cockpit.

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And, and I just, then, you know, you have a break, you're allowed to

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walk around the air show, go, go, go grab something to eat, you know?

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And as I'm walking around this air show, I just remember going, Oh my gosh,

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there's no other women pilots here.

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And this whole.

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air show.

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I'm in my flight suit.

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I'm the only woman and it dawns on me.

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That's why all these little girls are coming over to my helicopter because

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it's something they can see, you know, some modeling of what you could be

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if you want to be a female aviator.

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Um, when I was a young kid and my parents took me to see the Thunderbirds in

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Wyoming, uh, when we were stationed at F.

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E.

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Warren Air Force Base, I don't even remember there being a female pilot.

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But I didn't care.

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I just wanted to be a pilot and nothing was going to stop me from

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doing that, uh, through my career.

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There I have had some women who definitely were influencers for me, but it really

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was great that, uh, that I had some really great men who championed my career.

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And I, one of the things I talk about as, um, a lot is my flight in an F 14.

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When I was a midshipman off the USS Eisenhower, only midshipman

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who got a hop, uh, in a F 14.

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And I was a female at the time.

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This is 1998 on the USS Eisenhower in the Mediterranean.

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So off the coast of, uh, in Europe.

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And uh, I walk into this F 18 squad, F 14 squadron, like

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this is the heyday of Top Gun.

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F 14 squadron, skull and crossbones on their tail of their F 14.

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Jolly Rogers.

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Jolly Rogers.

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I mean these dudes.

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That squadron is actually there at the airshow.

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Yeah, these dudes are no joke.

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Like, they're the guys.

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And um, I walk into their ready room.

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So a ready room is a room where you all sit.

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sit, you notice it in Top Gun, but they're all sitting in the chairs facing forward

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facing like the commanding officer who's ever giving like the brief for the day.

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And when your briefs aren't happening, you sit in there and kind of play plan or

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listen to the radio or write letters home.

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That's like your hangout room.

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And so I walked into the room, and I just sat down in a chair, not knowing their

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assigned chair, especially the front row.

Jenn: 00:16:23

And I sat right in the front row.

Jenn: 00:16:24

I don't know who shares that in.

Jenn: 00:16:26

And, uh, the CO was there and the CO looked at me and he was like, you know,

Jenn: 00:16:30

and in colorful Navy words, he asked me who I was and I told him I was a

Jenn: 00:16:35

midshipman and I wanted to fly an F 14 and he told me in colorful words to get out.

Jenn: 00:16:40

And I told him no, that this was my dream and I wasn't leaving until I got a flight.

Jenn: 00:16:44

And he started to laugh and he asked me what school I went to because he

Jenn: 00:16:49

said I had a lot of, for a woman.

Jenn: 00:16:52

And I said, I went to Penn State and he said, Big Ten, you're flying.

Jenn: 00:16:55

I got very lucky that day because that commanding officer had gone to Indiana

Jenn: 00:16:59

University, which is in the Big Ten.

Jenn: 00:17:02

And he, uh, he was all for me flying.

Jenn: 00:17:06

So the minute his attitude changed around, and it was a CEO, he's county officer.

Jenn: 00:17:09

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:17:10

Everybody in the squadron's attitude changed around.

Jenn: 00:17:12

I, we started laughing.

Jenn: 00:17:15

He shook my hand.

Jenn: 00:17:16

We went over to the schedule.

Jenn: 00:17:17

We picked a flight together.

Jenn: 00:17:19

He was going to fly at the same time in his jet.

Jenn: 00:17:22

He told me to come back the next day, get fitted for a G suit,

Jenn: 00:17:25

you know, and meet the guys.

Jenn: 00:17:26

And, and I came back the next day and they gave me squadron patches.

Jenn: 00:17:31

They made sure I wore their patches while I flew with them.

Jenn: 00:17:33

I wore, you know, you don't get your own G suit.

Jenn: 00:17:36

So I wore another pilots.

Jenn: 00:17:37

I'm Se you know, similar size to, and we talk about this, a woman pilot being

Jenn: 00:17:42

similar size to a man at the time.

Jenn: 00:17:43

'cause cockpits are built for men.

Jenn: 00:17:45

And, um, I went through like pre-flight stuff, like how do you

Jenn: 00:17:49

learn to do stuff in the back?

Jenn: 00:17:50

'cause you still have to be an effective co-pilot.

Jenn: 00:17:54

Yep.

Jenn: 00:17:54

You're changing radios in the back.

Jenn: 00:17:56

You're doing things in the back.

Jenn: 00:17:57

You have to, and I'd already gone through all the qualifications

Jenn: 00:17:59

to fly in an ejection seat.

Jenn: 00:18:01

Uh, I had done all that as a midshipman in case this was to happen.

Jenn: 00:18:06

on my midshipman cruise.

Jenn: 00:18:07

You go through all these qualifications in case you do get a hop in an F14.

Jenn: 00:18:12

It was very rare, but it could happen.

Jenn: 00:18:14

So they made sure you went to your midshipman cruise prepared

Jenn: 00:18:17

with the qualifications.

Jenn: 00:18:19

And so I had done all of that stuff, but I still needed to learn certain things,

Jenn: 00:18:22

different frequencies and stuff like that.

Jenn: 00:18:25

And, uh, and the day I'm, I'm getting geared up in my G suit, which was it

Jenn: 00:18:31

to even get in that thing is like a workout because it's a, it's a pain to

Jenn: 00:18:37

zip this tight thing around you all the way up to like right under your chest.

Jenn: 00:18:41

Uh, the CO was there getting in his G suit and he put, um, Jolly Ranchers

Jenn: 00:18:46

in my pocket on your shoulder.

Jenn: 00:18:48

And he said, if you start to feel sick, just suck on these, like even

Jenn: 00:18:51

taking care of me to that extreme, uh, which was fantastic because nothing

Jenn: 00:18:58

will prepare you for what a cat shot.

Jenn: 00:19:01

is like in an F 14.

Jenn: 00:19:03

And so we...

Jenn: 00:19:03

And a cat

Scott: 00:19:04

shot for those who are listening is basically the

Scott: 00:19:06

catapulting you off of the aircraft

Jenn: 00:19:08

carrier.

Jenn: 00:19:08

Yes.

Jenn: 00:19:09

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:19:09

So my mom was just talking to me today about different countries now are

Jenn: 00:19:13

coming out with their own aircraft carriers with ramps on the front, right?

Jenn: 00:19:17

And a ramp will catapult you up into the sky and you'll hit transitional lift.

Jenn: 00:19:21

You're going to dip, but it gives you some more altitude for that dip.

Jenn: 00:19:25

But the Navy just...

Jenn: 00:19:26

catapult you off.

Scott: 00:19:29

Just shoot you off.

Scott: 00:19:30

There's no ramp.

Scott: 00:19:31

You better hit that, those thrusters fast.

Jenn: 00:19:33

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:19:33

So you just get shot off and, uh, and so nothing prepares

Jenn: 00:19:37

you for what that feels like.

Jenn: 00:19:38

And then I remember he said, are you ready?

Jenn: 00:19:41

And I was like, ready for what?

Jenn: 00:19:42

And he did, like, you see the maneuvers at the, um, the The, the Blue Angels do.

Jenn: 00:19:47

He pulled the straight up, geez, like we went vertical straight up.

Jenn: 00:19:52

Were

Scott: 00:19:52

you, so you were

Jenn: 00:19:52

flying with the CO?

Jenn: 00:19:54

No, I flew with his name, callsign was Rhino.

Jenn: 00:19:56

Okay.

Jenn: 00:19:56

I flew with one of the, he's a lieutenant, which you always are, you're, you're most.

Jenn: 00:20:00

dangerous pilots.

Jenn: 00:20:03

And CO went up in his own jet, probably didn't want to fly with them.

Jenn: 00:20:07

And honestly, he probably didn't want to do a lot of the flying,

Jenn: 00:20:10

probably made someone else fly.

Jenn: 00:20:11

And he just sat in the back.

Jenn: 00:20:13

But um, so I flew with Rhino and we we shot straight up.

Jenn: 00:20:17

That was amazing.

Jenn: 00:20:18

And then he's like, Okay, now watch the speedometer.

Jenn: 00:20:21

And we broke the sound barrier.

Jenn: 00:20:23

And we did some barrel rolls.

Jenn: 00:20:24

And then that's when the CO came up and joined up.

Jenn: 00:20:26

on us.

Jenn: 00:20:27

We form flu.

Jenn: 00:20:28

So again, a lot with the Blue Angels do form flying is.

Jenn: 00:20:32

You do it a lot in the military, uh, it's, it's, I wouldn't say it's, I hate

Jenn: 00:20:37

to say this, it's kind of easy flying.

Jenn: 00:20:38

I know the Blue Angels do it.

Jenn: 00:20:40

It's easy because you know exactly what you have to do.

Jenn: 00:20:44

When you fly form, you fly a sight picture of the other aircraft and

Jenn: 00:20:48

you just tuck yourself into that sight picture and you hold it.

Jenn: 00:20:52

And you never take your eyes off the other aircraft.

Jenn: 00:20:56

You're never looking at your own gauges.

Jenn: 00:20:58

You're never looking away.

Jenn: 00:21:00

You just look at the other aircraft and you fixate on looking and the whole time

Jenn: 00:21:04

you're holding that site picture and you're maneuvering your controls just a

Jenn: 00:21:07

little bit just to keep that site picture.

Jenn: 00:21:10

So if they're.

Jenn: 00:21:11

if they're barrel rolling, if they're flipping around, you really don't know it.

Jenn: 00:21:16

You're doing it with them because you're holding the site picture so

Jenn: 00:21:19

tight that they, which is what the blue angels do when they barrel roll.

Jenn: 00:21:24

You're just going with them because you're holding the site.

Scott: 00:21:27

So when they say, when the announcer says, you know, their

Scott: 00:21:29

wings are only 18 inches apart.

Scott: 00:21:32

That's all they're focusing on is keeping that wing position the same spot 18 inches

Jenn: 00:21:36

apart You have visuals that you hit there's probably for them like they're

Jenn: 00:21:39

probably keeping a wing tip in the V of Navy They're probably keeping and if you

Jenn: 00:21:43

keep this in this picture here in this picture here You know, you're exactly

Jenn: 00:21:47

where you need to be tucked into the aircraft and then when you break away, of

Jenn: 00:21:51

course That's the first time you'll look at your controls in your breakaway But

Jenn: 00:21:54

once you're in form, you're just tight in looking at the other aircraft the entire

Jenn: 00:22:01

And so we, we do that cause you form up in a lot of that you practice because

Jenn: 00:22:05

of refueling because a lot of refueling is kind of like this form flying.

Jenn: 00:22:10

It has to be perfection cause you have to catch the basket with the refueling probe.

Jenn: 00:22:14

So, you know, people were asking, why do you form fly?

Jenn: 00:22:17

Most of the time it's.

Jenn: 00:22:18

It's a refueling practice because you refuel in the air as Navy pilots.

Jenn: 00:22:24

So you were

Scott: 00:22:24

flying with the Jolly Ranchers, and then you got to land back down.

Scott: 00:22:27

Yeah,

Jenn: 00:22:27

so we, it was great.

Jenn: 00:22:29

I mean, it was great.

Jenn: 00:22:29

He played the Indiana fight song.

Jenn: 00:22:32

And I started laughing and, and I mean, Honestly, you see the aircraft

Jenn: 00:22:37

carrier become like, it looks like a postage stamp and then it becomes

Jenn: 00:22:41

like a little dot in the ocean that you don't even see it anymore.

Jenn: 00:22:44

So it's like, you're going to land back on that.

Jenn: 00:22:47

So when you go back for your landing, you know, you always know, like

Jenn: 00:22:50

the, the jet pilot's going to set up for his approach way for out there.

Jenn: 00:22:54

It's going to have, they're going to call the ball, which

Jenn: 00:22:56

is basically lining a ball up.

Jenn: 00:22:58

on a line.

Jenn: 00:22:59

And, uh, the other.

Jenn: 00:23:00

So another thing I know I'm talking aviation.

Jenn: 00:23:03

So if anyone loves aviation talk, that's what this podcast is.

Jenn: 00:23:07

The landing control officers or the landing safety officers, the LSOs are

Jenn: 00:23:10

all the other pilots in the squadron.

Jenn: 00:23:12

That's who's calling your landing.

Jenn: 00:23:15

So you're graded as how good of a pilot you are by how good you land.

Jenn: 00:23:20

So if you think how competitive we all are, we are going to help

Jenn: 00:23:23

you land great, but we don't want you to have a perfect landing.

Jenn: 00:23:29

So we want you to land great, we want to get you safely on the aircraft.

Jenn: 00:23:33

And then as soon as you land, we'll grade your landing.

Jenn: 00:23:35

So it's like, okay, boo, that was great.

Jenn: 00:23:37

Okay, that that was a B.

Jenn: 00:23:38

You know, so it's kind of like, we're going to get you in perfection.

Jenn: 00:23:44

And then as soon as you land, we're going to grade you.

Jenn: 00:23:47

You know, we're not going to give you the best grades.

Jenn: 00:23:48

You have to earn your grades.

Jenn: 00:23:49

Kind of like a gymnast or figure skater.

Jenn: 00:23:52

You have to years and years of doing it.

Jenn: 00:23:53

You might've done that perfectly as a newbie, but you don't

Jenn: 00:23:57

deserve the good grades yet.

Jenn: 00:23:59

Um, so there's four wires that go across an aircraft carrier.

Jenn: 00:24:05

And the tail hook comes down, you can catch any one, but you're

Jenn: 00:24:08

really shooting for wire three.

Jenn: 00:24:10

So wire three is a perfect landing and that's three from the back.

Jenn: 00:24:13

So if you count one, two, three from the rear, it's the third wire.

Jenn: 00:24:18

And then if you miss all four, it's a, it's a wave off because

Jenn: 00:24:21

you're landing at full throttle.

Jenn: 00:24:22

in case you don't hit any of them, you're, you can, you're

Jenn: 00:24:26

full throttle to take off again.

Jenn: 00:24:28

And so we hit, we caught number three and that again, that jolt

Jenn: 00:24:32

of the stop is another thing.

Jenn: 00:24:35

That's just, you don't, no one can prepare you for that.

Jenn: 00:24:38

But anyway, so.

Jenn: 00:24:39

In essence, I flew in an F 14 with the Jolly Rogers, 1998, halfway, you know,

Jenn: 00:24:45

and I got this great experience because of this male, uh, commanding officer

Jenn: 00:24:50

who believed in women in the military.

Jenn: 00:24:52

So I see the Jolly Rogers at the air show that we're at yesterday.

Jenn: 00:24:57

And now they're F 18s.

Scott: 00:24:58

Yeah.

Scott: 00:24:59

And you made a beeline

Jenn: 00:24:59

for them.

Jenn: 00:25:00

And I made a And I woke up because I wanted, they're selling t shirts.

Jenn: 00:25:03

So a lot of times what happens at these air shows is squadrons make

Jenn: 00:25:07

their money for Christmas parties and other like hail and farewells

Jenn: 00:25:13

through selling stuff from their squadron, stickers, patches, t shirts.

Jenn: 00:25:17

And so they're always out there doing air shows selling

Jenn: 00:25:21

certain things to the public.

Jenn: 00:25:23

And so I made a beeline to get a t shirt and there was a bunch of

Jenn: 00:25:26

pilots, young guys, lieutenants.

Jenn: 00:25:29

You know, you're probably, what, like twenty eight?

Jenn: 00:25:33

Uh, six?

Jenn: 00:25:33

Seven?

Jenn: 00:25:34

Yeah, like twenty six.

Jenn: 00:25:35

Like, like, young pilots, right?

Jenn: 00:25:37

Usually you're, you're most hotshot pilots.

Jenn: 00:25:39

And I tell them my whole story, and I felt like, you came in, you're like, I'm

Jenn: 00:25:43

gonna go sit over here with the kids and eat, and I felt like, after our words, I'm

Jenn: 00:25:46

like, was I like the old lady telling you?

Scott: 00:25:50

It's very possible.

Jenn: 00:25:52

Cause that's like, for them, it's 25 years ago.

Jenn: 00:25:55

Probably before some of them were born.

Jenn: 00:25:57

It's highly likely.

Jenn: 00:25:58

So we're like this old lady's coming in talking about F14s, but they were nice.

Jenn: 00:26:04

I bought a t shirt from them.

Jenn: 00:26:05

So that's, so that's cool.

Jenn: 00:26:07

Like what you're going to get.

Jenn: 00:26:08

at air shows is you're going to get the veterans, you're going to get the

Jenn: 00:26:13

people who had done it before come in and tell their, their, you know,

Jenn: 00:26:16

their sea stories, their air stories.

Jenn: 00:26:18

And I always enjoyed that too, as a young pilot.

Jenn: 00:26:24

So celebrating 50 years of aviation, it was women in aviation, women in aviation.

Jenn: 00:26:29

So in 1973, they had the first group of eight women start flight

Jenn: 00:26:32

school, Navy flight school.

Jenn: 00:26:34

And, uh, in 1974, so a year later, they had six of them earn their wings of gold.

Jenn: 00:26:40

So that's what they call the 50 years of women in aviation.

Jenn: 00:26:44

And then they're celebrating like Amanda Lee being a blue angel.

Jenn: 00:26:48

And they have other firsts as well that they had celebrated the first

Jenn: 00:26:53

commander of a, uh, you know, F 18 squadron earlier at the there.

Jenn: 00:26:59

So they had done a lot of these women first.

Jenn: 00:27:02

Um, and I think it kind of sent us along the Superbowl had that women fly over.

Jenn: 00:27:08

So, right.

Jenn: 00:27:10

So there, so there is a lot of this.

Jenn: 00:27:12

Women in aviation celebration that's happening this year so that the air

Jenn: 00:27:17

show kind of celebrated that but It was great for the kids because they had set

Jenn: 00:27:22

up in some hangers a lot of like stem Experiments that they could play with

Scott: 00:27:28

yeah And I I would assume right for if for those listening if you

Scott: 00:27:32

never brought Family to an air show it that's one of the great things

Scott: 00:27:34

to To really bring your family to because it's typically these are kind

Scott: 00:27:41

of, you know, Navy, military kind of, you know, their face to the public.

Scott: 00:27:45

It's not just them out there kind of doing the show.

Scott: 00:27:48

It's a little bit of recruiting, but it's also, it doesn't feel

Scott: 00:27:52

like a big recruiting event.

Scott: 00:27:53

I mean, they have the obvious kind of recruiter spots out there with the Marines

Scott: 00:27:56

and their pull up bar and all that stuff.

Scott: 00:27:58

And, um, but it really was opportunities for the kids to just get out there

Scott: 00:28:02

and see all the cool things that.

Scott: 00:28:05

are throughout the D.

Scott: 00:28:06

O.

Scott: 00:28:06

D.

Scott: 00:28:06

and the military

Jenn: 00:28:08

and NASA.

Jenn: 00:28:10

And then even the performers, they had like the leapfrogs.

Jenn: 00:28:12

So they had the Navy SEALs parachute in and they had

Jenn: 00:28:16

civilian and military performers.

Jenn: 00:28:19

They had like this Red Bull.

Jenn: 00:28:21

Helicopter that kept doing like loop de loops and I'm like,

Scott: 00:28:24

I've never seen that.

Scott: 00:28:25

I've never seen a helicopter do a loop de loop because I honestly

Scott: 00:28:28

didn't know it was possible.

Scott: 00:28:30

And then I saw it do one and I, you were in like one of the helicopters

Scott: 00:28:33

with the kids or something like that.

Scott: 00:28:34

I was like, Jen, that helicopter just did a loop de loop.

Scott: 00:28:37

I didn't, I'm not sure what I'm looking at, at

Jenn: 00:28:40

here.

Jenn: 00:28:40

Because that was always my party joke, right?

Jenn: 00:28:43

Because people are, I would ask me, can a helicopter go inverted?

Jenn: 00:28:45

And I always would say once.

Jenn: 00:28:47

You're right.

Scott: 00:28:48

You always say, say once it really was pretty incredible and

Scott: 00:28:51

we'll bring it back around to kind of some of the history, but some

Scott: 00:28:54

of the aircraft that were there, they had error, you know, acrobatic

Scott: 00:28:58

national champion flyers and the F 22 Raptor, which absolutely blew my mind.

Scott: 00:29:03

It just.

Scott: 00:29:03

It seems like it's defying physics and the law of gravity.

Scott: 00:29:06

It's, it's really pretty incredible.

Scott: 00:29:10

Now, one of the things that they actually called out while we were there, one of

Scott: 00:29:14

the announcers said when the blue angels started flying was that the blue angels

Scott: 00:29:18

had actually started performing in like the 1940s and I thought that was actually.

Scott: 00:29:22

Um, I was, I was surprised, but I mean, like, like we said,

Scott: 00:29:27

they started flying planes.

Scott: 00:29:28

Everybody started wanting

Jenn: 00:29:28

to see it.

Jenn: 00:29:29

So they're the second oldest demonstration squadron in the

Jenn: 00:29:33

world behind one in France.

Jenn: 00:29:36

So they started flying in 1946.

Jenn: 00:29:38

And in France, it was a couple years earlier.

Jenn: 00:29:41

So they have been around since 1946.

Jenn: 00:29:43

I just,

Scott: 00:29:44

I, I never realized that cause you and I, we've seen the

Scott: 00:29:46

blue angels a ton of times, right?

Scott: 00:29:48

You in flight school, you know, me, you know, when I was in college,

Scott: 00:29:51

they would practice, you know, over, over my school all the time.

Scott: 00:29:54

Um, But it was just really neat.

Scott: 00:29:57

And then obviously seeing the Blue Angels kind of cap off the whole

Scott: 00:30:00

air show was just fun because the kids had never seen it before.

Scott: 00:30:04

And they really pull out all the stops.

Scott: 00:30:06

They do all the high speed passes and they're playing the music and they've

Scott: 00:30:10

got, you know, it's very choreographed.

Scott: 00:30:13

It's very choreographed.

Scott: 00:30:14

Um, It was

Jenn: 00:30:15

neat.

Jenn: 00:30:16

So there's six aircraft total.

Jenn: 00:30:18

There's four that'll stay in the diamond formation, and they

Jenn: 00:30:20

pretty much do formation flight.

Jenn: 00:30:23

And then there's two solo, there's a, a lead solo and a secondary Solo.

Jenn: 00:30:26

Yeah.

Jenn: 00:30:27

Five, no, five and six.

Jenn: 00:30:27

Five and six.

Jenn: 00:30:28

And they do a lot of the, the passes, the high speed passes, and they will

Jenn: 00:30:32

form up with the, the diamond formation and do like a six, a man formation.

Jenn: 00:30:37

But, uh, most of the time they're doing all the, the crazy flying and, uh, it's,

Jenn: 00:30:42

uh, six Navy personnel, one Marine.

Jenn: 00:30:44

Uh, for the Blue Angels.

Jenn: 00:30:46

And so they kind of, uh, they, one Marine will always be flying as

Jenn: 00:30:50

part of the demonstration crew.

Jenn: 00:30:52

Um, and the Thunderbirds are kind of like the Air Force equivalent.

Jenn: 00:30:55

They've been around since 1953 and I, I had seen them as a young kid.

Jenn: 00:31:01

But if you ever go to an air show, you know, we recommend get there early.

Jenn: 00:31:06

Because it gets very crowded and busy and if you have an opportunity like this

Jenn: 00:31:11

air show sold tickets where you could get seating that was closer where you

Jenn: 00:31:16

didn't have to bring your chair because you The air shows are usually free and

Jenn: 00:31:19

you can bring your chair So you could go to an air show completely for free

Jenn: 00:31:22

and just enjoy the day or even if you live close to where they're performing,

Jenn: 00:31:26

you could probably watch it from your

Scott: 00:31:27

house.

Scott: 00:31:27

And you didn't have to have a military ID to get on base.

Scott: 00:31:30

They actually opened it up to the public, which I didn't realize.

Scott: 00:31:32

Um, you know, the only thing was that they were basically just kind of checking

Scott: 00:31:36

bags and stuff just before you got on the

Jenn: 00:31:37

flight line.

Jenn: 00:31:38

Yeah, so it was great.

Jenn: 00:31:39

But if you didn't want to carry your chair and you could pay for tickets like we did

Jenn: 00:31:42

on the flight line, and if you wanted to pay a little bit more, you get bleachers.

Jenn: 00:31:46

And if you wanted to pay like a little bit more, you could pay for preferred parking,

Jenn: 00:31:50

or else you're going to walk like we did.

Jenn: 00:31:52

Be prepared to walk at an air show anyway because you're going to be

Jenn: 00:31:56

walking the basically the tarmac.

Jenn: 00:31:58

You're walking the flight line and to the different booths, to the different

Jenn: 00:32:03

food, to the different static aircraft, and then over to the demonstration area.

Jenn: 00:32:08

It's, it was, it's a significant walk.

Jenn: 00:32:11

So I would just be prepared.

Jenn: 00:32:12

If you're going to go to an air show, be prepared to

Scott: 00:32:14

be there all day.

Scott: 00:32:15

Yeah, but it, it, it really was fun.

Scott: 00:32:18

We spent the whole day there and some of that history of, of aviation.

Scott: 00:32:22

I just never knew until we got there and really until we kind of started

Scott: 00:32:26

talking about it tonight here on the talk with history podcast.

Scott: 00:32:29

So if you guys have ever been to.

Scott: 00:32:32

An air show.

Scott: 00:32:33

I would love to hear about it.

Scott: 00:32:35

Shoot us an email.

Scott: 00:32:36

Um, you can find us our, our email over at talkwithhistory.

Scott: 00:32:39

com.

Scott: 00:32:40

Um, reach out to us, let us know if you ever have had kind of an air show

Scott: 00:32:43

experience, because if there's one thing that I've learned about pilots

Scott: 00:32:48

or people that are fan of aviation is they love to talk about aviation.

Scott: 00:32:52

and their aviation stories, just like my co host here did

Jenn: 00:32:56

tonight.

Jenn: 00:32:56

Yes, and I apologize.

Jenn: 00:32:58

We actually had someone on Instagram say, I didn't even know you were a pilot,

Jenn: 00:33:01

and I find that really hard to believe.

Jenn: 00:33:04

Now you're

Scott: 00:33:04

just going to send them this podcast episode every

Jenn: 00:33:06

single time.

Jenn: 00:33:07

I just wanted to say one more time before we leave that the Blue

Jenn: 00:33:10

Angels perform, um, annually for about 15 million spectators a year.

Jenn: 00:33:16

The Thunderbirds perform for about 12 million spectators a year.

Jenn: 00:33:20

So If you can imagine all those people going to see, uh, these jets perform, I'm

Jenn: 00:33:27

sure someone has a good story out there.

Scott: 00:33:28

Yeah, we would love to hear it.

Scott: 00:33:30

And if you can kind of write us a little email or send us a little note,

Scott: 00:33:33

um, or even if you look in the show notes, there's actually a way, there's

Scott: 00:33:37

a link in there, it's pod inbox.

Scott: 00:33:39

Um, dot com slash history.

Scott: 00:33:41

Yeah.

Scott: 00:33:41

You can actually leave us an audio kind of message.

Scott: 00:33:43

And I think if you keep it under 30 seconds, we might be able to play it.

Scott: 00:33:46

So if anybody's listening and you're interested in telling

Scott: 00:33:49

us a story and maybe we can, we can get it on here, the podcast.

Scott: 00:33:52

So thank you for listening to the talk with your podcast and please

Scott: 00:33:56

reach out to us at our website.

Scott: 00:33:58

TalkWithHistory.

Scott: 00:33:58

com.

Scott: 00:33:59

But more importantly, if you know someone else that is an aviation fan or

Scott: 00:34:03

a pilot that has another story to tell, please share this episode with them,

Scott: 00:34:08

especially if you think that today's topic would interest a friend, shoot

Scott: 00:34:11

them a text and tell them to look us up.

Scott: 00:34:13

We rely on you, our community to grow and we appreciate you all every day.

Scott: 00:34:17

We'll talk to you next time.

Scott: 00:34:18

Thank you.